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As you probably saw from our conversation about the Joe Walsh signature McCarty 594, I'm fairly certain what my next electric guitar is going to be.  But, if I look at my guitar stable, where I have a recognizable deficiency is in the acoustic side.  I'm an electric guy first and I'm fortunate I've got a handful of nice electric guitars that reflect that.  But, if I post a NGD thread anytime soon, it really should be for an acoustic.

Should that happen, until now, I have always known that thread would announce a new Martin 000-EC.  I had the opportunity to play one at a local store here and fell in love.  But recently I watched a guy with Alamo Guitars discuss the Martin 000-15M series.  He said something to the effect it is not just the best value in the Martin line but maybe the best value of any acoustic guitar. He also raved about the mahogany for blues and how all the old blues guys played 000 size mahogany guitars. When I think about those guys and their guitars, he's right! 000 or auditorium size mahogany guitars!  Sweetwater also says "the 000-15M may be one of the best values you'll find".

There is also a, the term is "artist clinician for C.F. Martin Guitar & Co", named Corey Congilio that I actually met at a "road show" for Martin here in Omaha.  He is the one that had largely talked me into the Clapton.  But he also, on a YT video about Martin guitars, raved about the 15M both for the tone of the mahogany for acoustic blues and the value.

So.........what say you Martin experts?  Anyone here, hopefully, familiar with both the EC and the 15M series?  To be clear, I'm not saying the 15M is my fallback.  It seems like it is a great guitar in its own right.  If not, I'm in a position to go forward with the EC.  But if the 15M will serve me well for blues I can take the difference abd apply it to the PRS electric soon.  (yeah, I've got a problem 😉 )

Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated.

 
Posted : May 4, 2021 14:09
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You can hardly go wrong with a Martin... here are a couple of my thoughts... FWIW!

BIG price difference! With that in mind and considering that you have indicated you are an electric guy first ... I would ask how much time will you spend playing your new acoustic... if not much time then perhaps the 15M might be reasonable for you.

I personally love 000s and OM so I agree with your size choices!

I do tend to like 12 fret slot heads overall, though 2 of my 3 acoustics do not fit this formula and I still love them.

 
Posted : May 4, 2021 17:33
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Posted by: @jestme

You can hardly go wrong with a Martin... here are a couple of my thoughts... FWIW!

BIG price difference! With that in mind and considering that you have indicated you are an electric guy first ... I would ask how much time will you spend playing your new acoustic... if not much time then perhaps the 15M might be reasonable for you.

I personally love 000s and OM so I agree with your size choices!

I do tend to like 12 fret slot heads overall, though 2 of my 3 acoustics do not fit this formula and I still love them.

Just a really valid point (what I bolded), Chris.  thank you.  And, with some successful domestic PR work, maybe the difference could be applied to the 594 or DGT! 😆 😉 

And the 15M does come as a slotted head version.  If I can find one.

Thanks again.

 
Posted : May 5, 2021 06:58
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I am not familiar with either of these but now I want that 15M! Look what you did! 😀

 
Posted : May 6, 2021 08:24
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I am not familiar with either of these but now I want that 15M! Look what you did! 😀

Mission accomplished 🤣 

 
Posted : May 6, 2021 09:37
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Posted by: @robert

I am not familiar with either of these but now I want that 15M! Look what you did! 😀

LOL... You can hardly go wrong with a Martin... 

 
Posted : May 6, 2021 10:10
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Ron and Chris, as a beginner with only one e-guitar at home, it’s interesting to read all your comments on the different types of guitars. And I deduct from your comments that you must have lots of guitars at home and that additional guitars will definitely follow 😉. 

Therefore, my question: Could you share some short sound samples of your different guitars?

I would really appreciate it, and maybe others too.

I'm convinced that I will learn a lot from you regarding sound qualities.

Birgit

 
Posted : May 8, 2021 08:52
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Birgit!

Buying guitars [and gear] is kind of like a disease, or perhaps better said as an addiction. I'm just trying to warn you! The disease is often referred to as GAS otherwise known as Gear Acquisition Syndrome. Please be careful as it is very contagious to anyone frequenting guitar sites!!!

For many years, I had 1 single acoustic guitar and wished for a 2nd guitar that I could keep in a different tuning. Eventually, I got a 2nd acoustic but never really got into altered tunings. Then I desired to build a guitar so I mentored with an accomplished builder and built one. 

After that I wanted an electric guitar, eventually got a good deal on a Les Paul. Then I wanted a decent travel guitar for vacations and such. Next I won a Strat, then got a great deal on a semi-hollow Dangelico, Later I won a 12 string [sold it]. Later I stumbled on a good deal on a PRS... and a 2nd PRS... So nine and counting... maybe. I'll be going into retirement soon and thinking I better get what gear I can now, while I can still rationalize it! 😉

So before you know it, I'm buying amps!! Currently I have 4. Not too bad.

I really believe that I can pretty much get pretty much to same sound from the electrics by tweaking the amp settings and perhaps using a pedal. I don't have much in the way of pedals, just a few... they can be a serious addiction issue that I haven't gotten caught up with... yet!

Sometimes I get a hankering to build an electric guitar much like Esteban has done. He's made 2 beautiful guitars... so far!

 
Posted : May 8, 2021 11:24
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Posted by: @bluesiline

...

Therefore, my question: Could you share some short sound samples of your different guitars?

...

Birgit

Birgit,

I won't share any sound examples because mine would be such poor representation of the different classes of guitars.  If Chris did it would be a better case study.  There are also thousands, likely more accurately 10's of thousands, of videos of the different configuration of guitars on YouTube (some suggestions below).  

But a gross oversimplification is that there two types, or sound classifications of guitars, based on their pick ups:

  1. Single coil pickups- which most guitar players consider represented by the Fender Stratocaster.  I always have trouble describing.  Spankier, crisper.  @Robert help me here.  Probably good examples are surf music, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Hendrix, Jeff Beck
  2. Humbucking pickups - which most guitar players consider represented by the Gibson Les Paul.  This is often described as fuller, warmer, richer, deeper.  To me,  the best example is Led Zeppelin.  But there is also Slash, Gary Moore, Duane Allman.

Of course, you can look at our leader's recent videos with his new Strat and his Les Paul.  But wait!  He also has a Gibson 335!

I said the the two types was an oversimplification.  There are many that say there are a few more that you need to have in the guitar stable:

  1. The Strat (above)
  2. The Les Paul (above)
  3. A Gibson 335 (or 345/355, 325, etc).  A Gibson Hollowbody, the best example of which is probably B. B. King.  That really rich, creamy? hollow body sound.
  4. A Fender Telecaster.  That "twangy" country sound.  Very well represented by Keith Urban.  Actually represented by every country western guitarist on the planet
  5. An acoustic (not electric but still you need.)
  6. A resonator (again not electric but still you need.)
  7. A P-90 guitar.

There is a really great YouTube video by a guy named Keith Williams.  His channel is called "5 Watt World" and his motto is (something like) "How to get the most from the least amount of gear".  The video is "How many guitars do you "NEED"?"  He talks about different guitat types you need and then goes into about guys that play only one (Clapton, Santana) and the advantages of doing that.  Another really great video is "5 Must Have Guitars For Every Player" by Rhett Shull.  Some would question his suggestions but he does a great job of describing the tone and differences of each.

My path was completely opposite of Chris'.  I started with one electric.  Then a few more electrics and an acoustic.  And a couple more electrics, and selling a couple along the way.  And now, as you know from this thread, looking at another acoustic, or two 😉 And I am still looking at the PRS mentioned, or two 😆   Different path, but what's important is the same final destination:  GAS ! 😎 

 
Posted : May 8, 2021 16:43
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Chris and Ron, thank for your little insights into the world of your guitar models. It’s exiting to hear about.

And thank you so much, Ron, for giving me lots of information for digging deaper into details.

Birgit

Let me add another question:

What do you think about my thoughts that the last bought guitar is the favourite and all the others will be neglected? (Here I’m also thinking of me and my neglected e-piano I've bought before I‘ve got my e-guitar as a present).

 

 
Posted : May 9, 2021 00:05
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Posted by: @bluesiline

Chris and Ron, thank for your little insights into the world of your guitar models. It’s exiting to hear about.

And thank you so much, Ron, for giving me lots of information for digging deaper into details.

Birgit

Let me add another question:

What do you think about my thoughts that the last bought guitar is the favourite and all the others will be neglected? (Here I’m also thinking of me and my neglected e-piano I've bought before I‘ve got my e-guitar as a present).

 

I think there is truth to your suspicion re the last guitar you bought will be your favorite... at least for awhile [assuming it is a quality guitar] It is exciting getting a new guitar!!! You get a new guitar and you play it to get comfortable with it, run it through some gyrations to understand it and learn how to tweak it!

Periodically, I pick up a long neglected guitar and re discover it all over again... 

I hope I don't get thrown out for saying this but... 😉 Having many guitars is not a necessity, it is more of a luxury... some people collect art or salt shakers... Of course when you turn professional things will be different. It is good to carry a spare guitar [or two] to shows...  

 

 
Posted : May 9, 2021 12:15
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@jestme

That's a really good answer, Chris, thank you. You exactly get to the point and I can read your passion for guitars from your sentences.

I’ll keep this in mind, because I'm also not interested in collecting art or salt shakers ... 😉 

Birgit

 
Posted : May 10, 2021 02:13
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It was a really good answer.  And I will just add, of course, it will become your new favorite guitar.  And that is a good thing.  Your other guitars may feel jilted temporarily.  

But a new favorite guitar means:

New favorite guitar = more excitement about playing

more excitement about playing = more practicing

more practicing = more improvement in one's playing

more improvement in one's playing = more overall satisfaction with life

 

I don't know that it is true, but somewhere on the internet I saw that Simba said that a new guitar is close to the secret of life.  It may be typical internet dribble. I don't know.

 
Posted : May 10, 2021 06:42
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It is fun to have different styles of electric guitars. For me, the most important ones are Stratocaster, Telecaster, Les Paul, 335; not necessarily in that order. There's also the SG that should be included too. I don't have one yet. 🙂

There's also the world of shred guitars by Ibanez, Jackson, etc. They all have humbuckers, because they have less hum and provide more gain.

A Stratocaster has a certain sound, and most people play on the neck or bridge pickup, which sound very different from each other. SRV, Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Richie Blackmore are good references. The guitar can sound bright and hollow, but it can also sound fat and rich. Depends on the amp and the player. 

 
Posted : May 10, 2021 07:12
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Ron and Robert, as already with Chris’ answers, I really appreciate your engaged responses because they give me plenty of inspiration 👍. 

Thanks a lot

Birgit

 
Posted : May 10, 2021 08:04
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